Thursday, November 30, 2006
"The report recommends that Mr. Bush make it clear that he intends to start the withdrawal relatively soon, and people familiar with the debate over the final language said the implicit message was that the process should begin sometime next year. "
... I have a recommendation, let's run the Iraq Study Group out of the country. Iran would be the best choice for their "retirement". Next, the pussywillowed Bush administration needs to simply step out of the damn way and let us go finish the job!
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
... in a related story, Testing for Citizenship; new exam has the open borders crowd up in arms!
... Paranoia can be described as seeing threats and organized evil where it's not present. What do you do when the paranoia becomes real? The "Europeanization" of America marches on.
"Of the more than 180 countries that issue paper currency, only the United States prints bills that are identical in size and color in all their denominations," Robertson wrote in his ruling. "More than 100 of the other issuers vary their bills in size according to denomination, and every other issuer includes at least some features that help the visually impaired."
"Day Al-Mohamed, director of advocacy and government affairs at the American Council of the Blind, said that most of the world's currency is distinguished by color, size, perforations or tactile symbols. The Euro, for instance, can be determined by the length of the bill — the higher the denomination the longer the bill."
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
"Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed group in Lebanon that warred with Israel this summer, has been training Moqtada al-Sadr's Shiite militia both inside Iraq and in Lebanon, senior White House and intelligence officials confirm.
Somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 Shiite fighters under the anti-American cleric al-Sadr had been trained in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a group also backed by Syria, two unnamed officials told FOX News."
... obviously, this begs the question; why is it, when our fabulous boys in desert tan go after creeps like this, King George gets wet feet? Is it because Moqtada is a beloved religious leader who's demise would ignite the Shiite world into extreme violence? No, that can't be it - the violence is already extreme. In fact, it's part and parcel to their religious beliefs! Is it because our guys aren't tough enough to "track 'em down"? ...Don't be ridiculous!
... ahhh! It may be that King George sees "Mookie" as the next strong leader in Iraq and we're actually enabling his power grab!
... failure to act means playing al-Sadr directly into Iran's hand. The FAILED BUSH FOREIGN POLICY CONTINUES!
Would you be prepared to defend yourself and other innocents?
Would you be justified in doing so?
Is it time for Americans to consider such once-unthinkable possibilities? "
"During that Sunday evening service, the terrorists, wielding AK-47s and grenades, killed 11 and wounded 58. But the fact that one man – van Wyk – fired back, wounding one of the attackers, drove the others away."
... van Wyk's book at Amazon.com
... related story: Illegals murder 12 Americans per day (Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan)
Monday, November 27, 2006
"What we have discovered in Iraq is the weakest link in the ability of the United States to sustain military operations overseas. That link is the U.S. media. They are Islamists' best friends."...
"Experience shows that the mainstream press of the United States is alienated from the U.S. military. In addition, the American press is extremely vulnerable to anti-U.S. propaganda. Thus, the American public will be fed nearly everything that foreign adversaries--our band of brothers--wish to feed it about the war."...
"This small band of brothers can defeat the most powerful army in human history. The path, my brothers, is to come to dominate the minds of their public, which they must suppose is supporting them, and in reality turns quite quickly into our best ally."
... weak leadership reacts to bad press, which further deteriorates the public will. Some in the public try to awaken their leaders but they're attention is elsewhere, trying to subdue the bad news - when, ALL THAT’S NEEDED, IS TO SIMPLY FIGHT AND WIN THE WAR AGGRESSIVELY!
... the same scenario is playing itself out here at home, in the domestic arena. We haven't learned that GOD abandons those nations that abandon Him. Therefore, we rush headlong, continually erasing the embarrassing, media-bashed concept of GOD into historical oblivion.
"New dollar coins place 'In God We Trust' along thin edge instead of front or back"
... will we wake up? Can we convince our leaders to revolutionize the very foundations of how we do things? Can we convince them, once again, that winning is good, political correctness is bad, and that "wrong" things need to be "righted"? If we don't, our steady decline will increase in momentum, and the "slide" will be very, very hard to correct. Only a mass upwelling from below will uproot those alseep at the top.
Sunday, November 26, 2006
... secure in my mind, for a long time, is the fact that NO SOLUTIONS will be forthcoming from the Bush administration, and for that matter, Conservatives in general. Both groups seem to be unable to relate to and see current events clearly. They reject suggestions from others and rarely offer solutions of their own, stating politically correct reasons why they can't do anything; here is an exception. The Saudis will come to the rescue by helping the Americans calm the Sunnis in Iraq. The Bush administration has agreed to support whatever ruling government blooms from the Hamas/Fatah reconciliation in Palestine; even though that government won't recognize Israel.
... I spoke too soon - this is no solution - this is a cowardly SETUP!
in addition: U.S. Finds Iraq Insurgency Has Funds to Sustain Itself
... interestingly, the above article doesn 't mention the Saudis, a major source of terrorist funding! This PDF does!
- why is it the administration has consistently and constantly run to the Saudis for help? Ever since 9-11 Bush and Cheney have sought ole' Abdullah's "wise counsel". Wouldn't deeper, more aggressive investigation into Saudi Arabia's support of worldwide Jihad be in order? Is oil worth more than Israel's friendship?
- the Saudis are asking for more U.S. aggression in controlling Iraqi militias. We had our chance to kill al Sadr - why didn't we? After all that's happened will we NOW restart the effort to rein in these groups? Will Fallujah have to happen again? Why haven't we been aggressive all along, instead of "starts, spurts, and stops"?
- the Conservatives keep making the same mistakes over and over. We don't need to "conserve"; we need a revolution in thinking! Our friends are our friends - our enemies are our enemies - Conservatives keep confusing the two - STOP IT!
Saturday, November 25, 2006
Senate Democrats Demand Classified Data"Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., who will chair the Senate Judiciary Committee starting in January has asked the Justice Department to release two newly acknowledged documents, which set U.S. policy on how terrorism suspects are detained and interrogated. The existence of the documents has been confirmed by the CIA. "
"The first document sought is a directive President Bush signed giving the CIA authority to establish detention facilities outside the United States. It also outlines interrogation methods that may be used against detainees. The second is a 2002 memo from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel to the CIA’s general counsel regarding interrogation methods that the CIA was empowered to employ against detained al-Qaida leaders."
Friday, November 24, 2006
want to be a suicide bomber'
JENIN – WND was granted access through the Islamic Jihad terror group to a 23-year old Palestinian man who has volunteered to become a suicide bomber and who the organization says has "great potential" to carry out one of the next attempted suicide attacks against Israeli civilians.
WND: Let's say your concept of heaven is accurate. You are indeed rewarded with 72 dark-eyed virgins for living the kind of life you describe. Do you really think you will go to heaven for killing innocent civilians during a suicide operation?
BOMBER: You are treating in a ridiculous way this issue, but this is in the Quran. Go and, Allah forbid, ask Allah about this point. We are promised in the Quran to have the dark-eyed virgins and that's it. The Quran is full of verses glorifying the shahid, the martyr.
WND: Show me exactly where in the Quran it states you will get 72 dark-eyed virgins for blowing yourself up amongst civilians.
BOMBER: You and I, we do not discuss Allah and the Quran. I will tell you more the moment that I will explode myself when there will be one dark-eyed virgin who will carry up my soul to the sky.
This is the important part of our mission – fulfilling Allah's commandments and hoping to receive the prizes we were promised in the Quran.
Thursday, November 23, 2006
Courtesy of Pilgrim Hall Museum, Plymouth, MA
What could now sustain them but the Spirit of God and His grace? May not and ought not the children of these fathers rightly say: "Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this wilderness; but they cried unto the Lord, and He heard their voice and looked on their adversity," etc. "Let them therefore praise the Lord, because He is good: and his mercies endure forever. Yea, let them which have been redeemed of the Lord, show how He hath delivered them from the hand of the oppressor. When they wandered in the desert wilderness out of the way, and found no city to dwell in, both hungry and thirsty, their soul was overwhelmed in them." "Let them confess before the Lord His lovingkindness and His wonderful works before the sons of men." Governor William Bradford.
... in a related story; Cheney visits his boss in Saudi Arabia
"My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."
... I support and respect our police officers, but stories like this make me want to shut down and rebuild the entire system! This "knock and announce" technique should be abolished! It actually means, "scream and bust down the door" - I would start shooting too!
Wednesday, November 22, 2006
The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: "We are watching the world of yesterday." Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. "I am too old," he said.
However, he urged young people to get out and "move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable." Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder's advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in.
One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities.
Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose islamization. "The dominant ethos," he told De Volkskrant, "is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death." In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and self-declared "humanist") author Oscar Van den Boogaard refers to Broder's interview. Van den Boogaard says that to him coping with the Islamization of Europe is like "a process of mourning." He is overwhelmed by a "feeling of sadness." "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it."
As Tom Bethell wrote in this month's American Spectator: "Just at the most basic level of demography the secular-humanist option is not working." But there is more to it than the fact that non-religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people, because many of them prefer to "enjoy" freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children. Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only thing they have to lose. Hence they will rather accept submission than fight. Like the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped than to resist.
"If faith collapses, civilization goes with it," says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply the consequence. The very word Islam means "submission" and the secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims, though they do not realize it or do not want to admit it. Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. They are correct when they fear that anti-Semitism is also on the rise among non-immigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans) is related to anti-Americanism.
People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit. This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much, and the small band of European "Islamophobes" who dare to talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (Islam) or death.
I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen submission - just like in former days when they preferred to be red rather than dead.
... this text taken from Mr. Belien's article.
On Thursday, we will be gathering with our families to celebrate God’s goodness to us and for His blessings upon our nation. There is much to be thankful for this year.
-We can be thankful that we live in a free democratic nation and can still worship freely.
-We are so thankful that our Lord Jesus Christ offered His life for our sins and that the Holy Spirit gives us His power to overcome the sins in our lives.
-We can be thankful that our nation is not being ravaged by street-to-street warfare with the enemies of freedom.
-We can be thankful that we can freely vote for our leaders.
-We can be thankful for our nation’s natural resources and for an economic system that enables hard-working individuals to get ahead and prosper.
-We can be thankful for the many godly Founding Fathers who devised a system of government designed to maximize individual freedom and creativity—and to protect religious freedom, free speech and freedom of conscience.
-We can be thankful for our churches, for pastors, and elders who faithfully serve the body of Christ.
-We can be thankful for our loved ones—our children, grandchildren, wives and husbands.
What are you thankful for today? God bless you and your family as Thanksgiving Day approaches.
Sincerely, The TVC Staff
President George Washington On Thanksgiving Day on October 3, 1789
WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:" NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;-- for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;-- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;-- and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us. And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; -- to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best. GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.
(signed) G. Washington
America’s First Thanksgiving
In the Fall of 1621, the Pilgrims in Plymouth, Massachusetts gathered for a holiday feast with their Indian friends to give thanks to God for surviving a harsh New England winter the year before. Nearly half the population had perished before Spring arrived. Pilgrim Hall Museum in Plymouth has been one of the primary sources of information on the first Thanksgiving. It notes that the details about the first Thankgiving come from two documents written by Edward Winslow and William Bradford of Plimoth Plantation. According to a letter written by Winslow: "Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together, after we had gathered the fruits of our labors; they four in one day killed as much fowl, as with a little help beside, served the Company almost a week, at which time amongst other Recreations, we exercised our Arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and amongst the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five Deer, which they brought to the Plantation and bestowed on our Governor, and upon the Captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful, as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want, that we often wish you partakers of our plenty." In a book written 20 years later, William Bradford wrote: "They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they came first (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck of meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to that proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports."
Tuesday, November 21, 2006
Thiago Olson, 17, stands near his nuclear fusion reactor, which he calls "the Fusor," at home in Oakland Township on Friday. After more than two years and 1,000 hours of research, the Stoney Creek High School senior, with a little help from his dad, built the machine. (PATRICIA BECK/Detroit Free Press)
... more on this approach to FUSION POWER
Sunday, November 19, 2006
Mohammad from the Islamic
Thinkers Society - as heard
on the 11/15 show.
- Windows media player or compatible assumed
Saturday, November 18, 2006
IVRY-SUR-SEINE, France -- "Decked out in Sunday finery, the chattering line stretches out the door and up a gritty block of warehouses and homes in this working-class Paris suburb. Inside, the congregation at Impact Christian Center sways and chants to gospel music as the first morning service rolls on, way behind schedule. "
"It is hard to believe that this outburst of religious joy is taking place in France, the most staunchly secular nation of an increasingly secular Europe."
... perhaps the Muslims are scaring the French into the arms of GOD?
"Wafa Sultan, a native of Syria, seized attention worldwide in February when her electrifying interview on Al-Jazeera television spread across the Internet through a video clip produced by the Middle East Media Research Institute. "
... Bush still worshipping at the altar of Political Correctness.
Friday, November 17, 2006
Michiganistan, Make Room For Floridaistan - Or, Why The Growing Islamization Can Be Traced Directly To The Bush Family
... hmmmm, and many of you Florida Repubs thought Jeb was a "true" conservative?
Thursday, November 16, 2006
is one such corporation. Once again Target refuses to allow the Salvation Army bell ringers to stand in front of their stores. So... to make a profit this season, it has made an attempt to "buy off" the Salvation Army with a 1 million dollar bribe. To some folks, this is like sitting on Santas lap while stabbing him in the back!
Speaking of funny things happening in laps, Walmart, having been stung repeatedly by the bad news bees last year have decided to embrace Christmas this year! Hold on! Have they regained their faith? Have they had a "come to Jesus" meeting? No... once again it's that little tin god; this time worshipping homosexuality mixed with profit.
"The Ohio woman, after hearing the shocking confirmation directly from the mega-corporation's international headquarters that the company is, in fact, contributing to the financial and moral agenda of the nation's "gay" chamber of commerce, she quit. And she's not a bit worried. "
Here's a list of Pro-Homosexual companies:
America's pro-homosexual giants: 2006 List of companies scoring perfect 100 percent from 'gay'-rights group
Here's a Link to the Salvation Army:
...which altar do you worship at?
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Tuesday, November 14, 2006
... the problem is; it's really Moses and the Ten Commandments!
... the Tour Guides at the Supreme Court have been told to lie (on many counts) !
Monday, November 13, 2006
... the Senator from Florida is known in his state as a CONFIRMED R.I.N.O. !
... so much for the "conservative" wing of the party. The Repubs have learned NOTHING!
"Some RNC members, already dismayed by last week's election that swept Republicans from control of Congress, expressed anger at the way Mr. Rove leaked his choice of Mr. Martinez immediately after a conference call in which the Florida senator's name was floated for the first time. "
We Need Revolution!
"The defensive agenda of conservatives is failing – and it will continue to fail. And this is just one example of hundreds in the way it is failing."
Sunday, November 12, 2006
Elton John would ban all religion.
The Netherlands Justice Minister would accept Sharia Law.
Germany may use International Criminal Court to charge Rumsfeld with crimes.
... so, would Elton be arrested too? You know, maybe it does take a "deal with the Devil"!
Saturday, November 11, 2006
who has given us freedom of religion.
who has given us freedom of the press.
who has given us freedom of speech.
who has given us freedom to assemble.
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
who has given us the right to vote.
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Friday, November 10, 2006
Dr. James Dobson quipped back; "... if they continue to abandon their pro-moral, pro-family and pro-life base. The big tent will turn into a three-ring circus ..."
... it's instructive to realize that Spector is a favorite guest for Sean Hannity!
... they STILL DO NOT GET IT!
Thursday, November 09, 2006
"In 2004, Gates co-chaired, along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, a Council on Foreign Relations task force report entitled, "Iran: Time for a New Approach." Brzezinski was best known for his role as national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. The main point of the Gates- Brzezinski task force was to advocate a policy of "limited or selective engagement with the current Iranian government."
Wednesday, November 08, 2006
... Thanks. But next time - lets work to force the Repubs to awaken sooner, please. I agree with your philosophy, but a Repub has to be a Conservative!
Under Nixon (1969-1974) he was U.S. Ambassador to NATO (1973 to 1974), Director of the Economic Stabilization Program (1971 to 1972) and Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity (the creation of which Rumsfeld has opposed as Congressman) and Assistant to the President( 1969 to 1970). Rumsfeld also served as ambassador to NATO in 1972.
... though Nixon called Rummy a "tough little bastard" he didn't come across as tough in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. If anything, Rummy seemed politically correct and afraid to upset the enemy. What remains to be seen is; did that really come from Rumsfeld? ... or, is it G.W. Bush?
... Donald Rumsfeld resigned today, Wednesday, November 8th.
Tuesday, November 07, 2006
"But a federal judge appointed by President Clinton told them in so many words to get over it, that the state was merely teaching kids about another "culture."
Monday, November 06, 2006
The president of the European Union, in Brussels yesterday, said that Saddam Hussein should not be hanged! It is wrong to kill the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Satan, apparently. Yet, it's OK to kill disabled infants!
"A leading British medical college has called on the health profession to consider euthanasia for seriously disabled newborns. The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecology has said that "active euthanasia" should be considered to spare parents the emotional and financial burdens of bringing up such children."
On that note, the "disabled dolphin" Japanese scientists found last month has been sent to the gallows! Do we have any common sense anymore? Anywhere?
Saturday, November 04, 2006
Frank Gaffney, an assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan and founder of the Center for Security Policy: "[Bush] doesn't in fact seem to be a man of principle who's steadfastly pursuing what he thinks is the right course. He talks about it, but the policy doesn't track with the rhetoric, and that's what creates the incoherence that causes us problems around the world and at home. It also creates the sense that you can take him on with impunity."
Kenneth Adelman: "The most dispiriting and awful moment of the whole administration was the day that Bush gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to [former C.I.A. director] George Tenet, General Tommy Franks, and [Coalition Provisional Authority chief] Jerry [Paul] Bremer—three of the most incompetent people who've ever served in such key spots. And they get the highest civilian honor a president can bestow on anyone! That was the day I checked out of this administration. It was then I thought, There's no seriousness here, these are not serious people. If he had been serious, the president would have realized that those three are each directly responsible for the disaster of Iraq."
Friday, November 03, 2006
Thursday, November 02, 2006
"While the words she chose have invited criticism, much more concerning is that the top U.S. diplomat has the same fundamental misunderstanding of the Middle East that most do, namely that Palestinians are ready to coexist peacefully next to a Jewish state. This conventional diplomatic wisdom, however, ignores the history of the region since the Oslo accords in 1993: the once largely secular Palestinian society has become increasingly Islamic—and deeply radicalized."
... sometimes, women should just stay at home, bare-foot and pregnant!
Wednesday, November 01, 2006
... if women can be assaulted and raped because they didn't cover themselves, then this Christian woman can be killed for her beliefs, right? Are LIBERALISM and ISLAMOFASCISM the same?
"Mary Stachowicz was attacked with such ferocity the assailant's hunting knife blade was bent, but a defense attorney for her alleged attacker is painting her with the blame, saying it wasn't a "hate crime" and it happened because her comments about his "gay" lifestyle assaulted the man."
America's pro-homosexual giants: 2006
List of companies scoring perfect 100 percent from 'gay'-rights group
... Sam Walton must be spinning in his grave ... what price; profit?